Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 The was a discussion about the complaint that Jeff had violated the licensing terms because he was no longer going to support Blades of Exile since he was now making Blades of Avernum. I don't remember where I read the topic and how far the threat of a lawsuit went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Seriously??? Sometimes I forget how bizarre people can be. And then reality reminds me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) The was a discussion about the complaint that Jeff had violated the licensing terms because he was no longer going to support Blades of Exile since he was now making Blades of Avernum. I don't remember where I read the topic and how far the threat of a lawsuit went. It was originally here, but that link appears to now turn into an infinite loop, and there's no Wayback. EDIT: found it, I think: http://thelyceum.yuku.com/topic/2548/Fun-Facts-About-the-Law#.UJWC0uNpWHs Edited November 3, 2012 by Sylae yay searching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Prince of Kitties Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 OMG the Lyceum still exists? Like, OMG! *goes off to look for The Creator's scenario parodies* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) We should all join and post in the Lyceum, ironically. Edited November 3, 2012 by Sylae Even if it undermines the perfect archeological record we have been given. Get it, archeological, because it's underground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Jeff! Jeff!He's Our Man He Does For Us Whatever He Can Treating Us With Nothing But Dignity And Respect From A Man So Great What Would You Expect? Bow Down Bow Down Bown Down and Praise Almighty Jeff The Great Jeff! Jeff! Such a Great Guy! All of His Products, We Must Buy! He might have been Bizarre ,but he was an artistic kind of Bizarre for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 you know in hindsight it's pretty clear that "i will do my best to fix any problems you have" meant "i will provide technical support and advice to help you solve problems you're having" not "i will try to fix every bug that gets reported for all time". but alcritas was always pretty good at flying off the handle in response to imagined slights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I read a little bit of that just to see who this famous Alcritas character was. He said he was a lawyer. I hope this wasn't true, for his sake. What was more bizarre was to see TM being human for an extended period. I guess that was before he got really grumpy, maybe because then he was still optimistic about the future of Blades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I read a little bit of that just to see who this famous Alcritas character was. He said he was a lawyer. I hope this wasn't true, for his sake. i have no particular reason to believe that he was not a lawyer What was more bizarre was to see TM being human for an extended period. I guess that was before he got really grumpy, maybe because then he was still optimistic about the future of Blades. nah that's pretty much how he always was at times when he wasn't TMing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 What was more bizarre was to see TM being human for an extended period. and who is this legendary TM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He was a prominent and skilled Blades designer with a famously unpleasant disposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Locmaar Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 The A2 remake will be coming after Avadon 2 so it's about a year away, avernum 3 will probably come after Avadon's third part so it will probably come in anywhere from 2.5-3 years. Are you sure about this? Seeing that he's working on both games simultaneously, maybe we won't have to wait another year. I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Are you sure about this? Seeing that he's working on both games simultaneously, maybe we won't have to wait another year. I hope. While this needs to be confirmed I think even beta testing for mac hasn't started for Avadon, that will take time plus the windows user will have to wait a few extra months ;in spite of simultaneous work i think there is little chance that both games will be released simultaneously, in fact the time will probably be more than a year for the windows version of A:CS, But you know what, let's all pray that I am wrong and that we get the games early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 as for nethergate, it already got one remake and both that and the original sold about as well as asbestos-flavoured chewing gum so probably not but still better than boe/boa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 BoA's total sales were about average for a SW game, it's just that it also took about twice as long to make as a regular game so anything short of a smash hit meant it'd be a failure i assume BoE did well considering that BoA existed at all despite Jeff hating to make scenario editors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Actually, I think BoE was a very successful, even if we just go by the amount of user-created scenarios it has. If it wasn't, of course, JV would never have created BoA, which actually was unsuccessful. Edited: Darn, Lilith-sniped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) but still better than boe/boa. oh do you want to go there. lets go there. Edited November 4, 2012 by Sylae what do you think the best game is, [condescending]geneforge[/condescending]? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's referring to sales, not quality, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 what do you think the best game is, [condescending]geneforge[/condescending]? Isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 He's referring to sales, not quality, I think. First off, look at the volume comparisons of any of the BoX boards compared to the Nethergate board. Even before the open-sourcage, blades was most likely rocking nethergate into the ground. Plus it had to be doing pretty good for there to be hundreds of scenarios and Jeff opting to remake it, and then release it as FOSS when the original stopped working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Actaeon Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Isn't it? ... I don't like agreeing with Trenton, but he's got a point. The Blades series are made great by their scenarios- as much a product of the community as the game design. For raw Jeff awesomeness, Geneforge takes the cake. adc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Is it just me, or did this thread get kind of hostile all of a sudden? Anyway, you're all wrong. Avernum 4 is by far Vogel's greatest game. i really hope this quote doesn't come back to bite me in the ass in a few months time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's hard to judge by forum traffic. Scenario design is hard, people need to ask for advice, ask for beta testers, talk about contests. BoX also had a community that other games don't because of its more interactive nature: you don't just play it, you also make it, and play others' stuff. Scenario counts don't mean anything. Yes, many people made scenarios, but the number is insignificant compared to required sales. And it's apples to oranges because Nethergate has no scenarios. —Alorael, who wouldn't be surprised by BoX having a small, vibrant community that represented most of the people who paid for it, or at least many. Other games have larger silent majorities that just play the game and don't interact; the games are inherently less people- and community-oriented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Anyway, you're all wrong. Avernum 4 is by far Vogel's greatest game. This. Except for Geneforge 3. Giant Frog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 This. Except for Geneforge 3 Exile. FYT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Exile actually wasn't that bad a game. It's fairly primitive in terms of UI, but still, I remember enjoying it when I tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Arch-Mage Solberg Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I've been playing Spiderweb Software games since 1998 when I first played Exile: Escape from the Pit and Exile 2: Crystal Souls. I've played and bought nearly every game since (except Nethergate: Resurrection and Geneforges 2-5). My favorite older game is Exile 2: Crystal Souls, and my favorite newer game is Avernum: Escape from the Pit. As for A:EftP, I love the additions to it. It makes for a nice change and somewhat deeper storyline than one some of us have literally known for years. Post # 687 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer runner Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Exile actually wasn't that bad a game. It's fairly primitive in terms of UI, but still, I remember enjoying it when I tried it. Agreed. As an added bonus it also expanded my vocabulary, lol. Jeff used a lot of words I was unfamiliar with as a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Agreed. As an added bonus it also expanded my vocabulary, lol. Jeff used a lot of words I was unfamiliar with as a child. 'Esoteric' is probably my favourite word I first learned through a SW game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Agreed. As an added bonus it also expanded my vocabulary, lol. Jeff used a lot of words I was unfamiliar with as a child. Exorbitant. I don't think I've heard a person my age use this word, and I always get strange looks from my peers when I use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Actaeon Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I hardly notice those looks anymore, although they're not nearly as common as they used to be. I just wish I can remember the look on that Canadian doctor's face when a two year old me informed him that I might have "infectious mononucleosis". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Agreed. As an added bonus it also expanded my vocabulary, lol. Jeff used a lot of words I was unfamiliar with as a child. I only know the meaning of the word "portcullis" because of the exile series. I also learned about Burma Shave from Exile III. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer runner Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 'Esoteric' is probably my favourite word I first learned through a SW game. I only know the meaning of the word "portcullis" because of the exile series. I also learned about Burma Shave from Exile III. I learned panacea from it too. And mitigate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 With all these testimonials, Jeff could start marketing the educational value of his games! Giant Frog and nikki. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 "Encumbered", when I first used the word in front of my friends in India they thought that I went mad due to too much studying. BMA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I first learned "Vahnatai" here. YES IT IS A REAL WORD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer runner Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I first learned "Vahnatai" here. YES IT IS A REAL WORD. -jaw drop- YOU LIE. -resists the urge to look it up- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) He does. Edited November 7, 2012 by Sylae In related news "Exorbitant" all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Stavros Aronis (Vahnatai) on Twitter https://twitter.com/Vahnatai Stavros Aronis. @Vahnatai. Treasure hunter, oddities collector, surprises lover, human nature explorer, computer jinni, truth seeker, politics disaffected. Athens ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) Yes, and I could also register the twitter account @idghffasdghdfjklzbdfubgfbs but that doesn't make it a word. Edited November 7, 2012 by Sylae actually i couldn't because twitter has character restrictions on usernames. it would only let me go up to being @FutureWonderbol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Magic Master Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Quality of story and atmosphere, in my opinion: A2, A3, BoA >> Avernum, Geneforge, Nethergate >> A4, A5, A6 I never played Avadon. Avernum 2 : The Crystal Souls will be awesome game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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