Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 The Wall Street Journal has an article, "The Strange Science of Translating Sarcasm Online," where they discuss the latest scientific attempts to do natural language processing to determine meaning. Is the writer serious or sarcastic and how to find context clues. They are starting with something easy, politics. Much like Lilith uses only lower case to denote sarcasm, the studies look at punctuation, emoticons, and in Twitter tweets the use of hash marks. Maybe some day we can use that research here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Much like Lilith uses only lower case to denote sarcasm, the studies look at punctuation, emoticons, and in Twitter tweets the use of hash marks. Maybe some day we can use that research here. The proper use of sarcasm is much harder to pick up than just lack of punctuation and grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 because having computers understand sarcasm is just great when todays voice synthesis programs still pronounce the j in mojave i think i would prefer it if my useless technology believed me when i tell it it did a good job Aran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Seems rather far fetched to me , different people probably behave differently even when they are making puns, they might even get a general idea and implement it but the accuracy is never going to be high enough to make the capability actually useful, at least not for the foreseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Rowen Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Make a sarcasm font. Like italics, only it leans to the left and not the right. Language and comprehension problems solved. Noble Prize won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 but half the point of sarcasm is usually the person your are sarcastizing doesnt know also this is a really good idea that caught on and everyone uses⸮ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 The Wall Street Journal has an article, "The Strange Science of Translating Sarcasm Online," where they discuss the latest scientific attempts to do natural language processing to determine meaning. Is the writer serious or sarcastic and how to find context clues. well that's a tough one. since it's in the wall street journal i'd normally guess serious, but since it's such a ridiculous topic maybe it's sarcastic Harehunter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 i think i would prefer it if my useless technology believed me when i tell it it did a good job Not least because when computers figure out we're being constantly sarcastic they're much more likely to get annoyed and hurry along that singularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 The robot war didn't start because they became sentient and evil and wanted to exterminate their inferior carbon-based creators, they just got tired of all the humans being asshats to Siri. nikki. and The Reverend 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Sarcasm in speech is normally supposed to be obvious, so in text we should probably just use or something. But irony is normally supposed to be deadpan. The fact that you need to really understand the whole situation in order to grasp the ironic meaning is kind of the whole point of irony, because I think irony pretty much amounts to pointing out an unacknowledged conflict between the immediate topic and background knowledge. In this sense, having a font or a punctuation device to indicate irony explicitly would be, well, ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 also expressly marking your own sarcasm is pretty much the equivalent of holding up a sign that reads "look how clever i am" and will impress nobody Harehunter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 well that's a tough one. since it's in the wall street journal i'd normally guess serious, but since it's such a ridiculous topic maybe it's sarcastic Since it wasn't a page 1 below the fold article I couldn't tell. The print version had it in the 4th section, page 1 with the more serious scientific/medical related news stories. The day's humorous story was about how popular media coverage of ghost hunters in England was ruining the scientific validity of their research, All the more likely authentic ghost sites were being over run by tourists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 The robot war didn't start because they became sentient and evil and wanted to exterminate their inferior carbon-based creators, they just got tired of all the humans being asshats to Siri. She says it's the relationship advice that tires her out the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Since it wasn't a page 1 below the fold article I couldn't tell. The print version had it in the 4th section, page 1 with the more serious scientific/medical related news stories. The day's humorous story was about how popular media coverage of ghost hunters in England was ruining the scientific validity of their research, All the more likely authentic ghost sites were being over run by tourists. i am going to print this post out and frame it and put it up on my wall Harehunter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 On this topic, I have to agree with everything Lilith has said. There are many reasons to use sarcasm, but if you were to try to draw attention to it with a "Sarcasm Font", it loses its whole purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 The Big Bang Theory had the sarcasm sign to help Sheldon understand when comments were sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 but everything she said was in sarcasm font Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 The Big Bang Theory had the sarcasm sign to help Sheldon understand when comments were sarcasm. Oh, the guy would have kissed Rowen for the suggestion, his extreme resistance to human touch notwithstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 but half the point of sarcasm is usually the person your are sarcastizing doesnt know also this is a really good idea that caught on and everyone uses⸮ I like the alternate punctuation for exclamations. They're cute. You should totally turn them into smileys so we can use them here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Actaeon Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 also this is a really good idea that caught on and everyone uses⸮ I have used a snark on these boards on several occasions, actually. Not that anyone noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Verbal punctuation, that's the ticket! Who was Victor Borge anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 The irony mark is a great, idea, but it never caught on. Too niche. Too much ruining of humor. Isn't it ironic? —Alorael, who is sure that during the Great Robot Uprising military orders will have to be given ironically. It's a code they'll never crack, and then the disaffected and the hipsters shall inherit the Earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Fe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 While irony and puns and sarcasm are in some ways close kindred, they are not the same thing. —Alorael, who imagines visual humor will be even harder for computers to crack. Maybe all the commands in the Uprising will have to be lolcats and other image macros instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 While irony and puns and sarcasm are in some ways close kindred, they are not the same thing. the unifying factor is a certain degree of contempt for one's audience also your image seems to be broken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Fe. Fie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Fo, Fum? nikki. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 This thread is taking on gigantic significance. I hope it doesn't get axed. Tyranicus and nikki. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Fe Phi fo' Pun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Are you really going to make post the pun police comic in every thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Harehunter Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Sorry, I forget myself. I shall migrate to my rabbit hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Actaeon Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Are you really going to make post the pun police comic in every thread? Better idea: make a special mod position for an ACTUAL pun police. They'll have no sense of humor and will go around editing strike throughs into all bad puns. You'll still be able to read it if you're feeling resilient, but otherwise you can skim right past them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Rowen Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Better idea: make a special mod position for an ACTUAL pun police. They'll have no sense of humor and will go around editing strike throughs into all bad puns. You'll still be able to read it if you're feeling resilient, but otherwise you can skim right past them. This was my try out for sarcasm police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Better idea: make a special mod position for an ACTUAL pun police. They'll have no sense of humor and will go around editing strike throughs into all bad puns. You'll still be able to read it if you're feeling resilient, but otherwise you can skim right past them. Hey, you go ahead and leave our puns alone, guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt BMA Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I think Lilith's lowercase posts have got more to do with the mood of posting than the sarcasm. And they have a nice touch of incompleted-ness about them, which leaves a hanging-in-the-air effect. Nice, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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