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  2. Alhoon, you're blowing this way out of proportion. Please try to see that. The reason no one can "explain" why seeing you edit a post led them to think you're deceitful is BECAUSE NO THINKS YOU'RE DECEITFUL. You shouldn't be personalizing a critique of behavior as a statement on your character or intentions. Slarty (nor I, for that matter) NEVER said anything about your intentions in editing posts, NEVER suggested you were doing it make him look bad or yourself look good, and NEVER said you were doing it to be intentionally deceptive. NO ONE accused you of deliberately doing anything wrong (deliberately editing, yes, but not deliberately lying). I accused you of violating unwritten conventions of forum etiquette, yes, but A. I didn't say it was intentional, and B. that's not exactly a serious moral trespass under any even halfway coherent system of morality I've ever heard of. You are reading way, way, way more into these comments than either of us ever meant. Please, chill. We pointed out how your editing habit has the potential to make subsequent replies look out of place or lack context. The closest I think anyone came to accusing you is this statement by Slarty: But look carefully at what he said! He said, essentially, that it was frustrating or unfair or unreasonable to try to carry on a discuss if you were going to edit past statements after people replied, and then turn around and say "No, that's not what I think." Slarty even offered the PERFECT solution to this kind of thing: saying instead of "You're wrong about what I said." Thus, he didn't accuse you of moral malfeasance, he proposed that you tweak your behavior re: responding so as to help avoid confusion. Here's two key quotes from this discussion Obviously that's not an exact quote of your response to Slarty at the bottom of the last page, but you guys seem to agree that it paraphrases or encapsulates something you expressed. And that was the real moment there was problem, where instead of saying "Oh, I edited that post and adjusted some things" you INADVERTENTLY gave the impression that you'd never said anything different. That spawned Slarty's comments saying, in effect, "Hey! It's not fair to edit your post and then respond in a new comment as if the edited the post where what you'd always said." There's no toxicity. There's no haste to assume you're deceitful. There's no explanation for why you have to defend your character because no one was attacking your character. There's no one convinced they'll never ever reply to anything you say ever again. (As for what Slarty, I point out that he has, so far, made FOUR replies to you in this very thread since he comment up about "not engaging," which suggests his statement wasn't nearly as absolute as you're fretting it is.) You taking ONE post capture ONE moment of frustration from Slarty and inflating it into some sort of general manifesto by the entire forum community that we all think you're a wicked liar. But that's NOT what is happening here. There's just one forum oldbie expressing a little moment of exasperation with someone for not adhering to the unstated conventions of discussion in a setting like this. He went on to offer two solutions: A. you could just say "Oh, FYI, I edited that last post to better reflect my thinking" instead of saying "You're wrong that 's not what I think" and B. he could make the effort to quote whatever you say that he's responding to so that the context of his comments remains clear even after your own thinking has evolved. You even admit there are no direct accusations against you! So, if there are no direct accusations against you of sin, and I and Slarty (presumably he agreed with my last post, given his response to it?) denying any sneaky implicit accusations, can you accept that maybe, just maybe, no one is accusing you, directly or indirectly, of any sins? There's no "lingering threat" of accusations, as you put it. There's nothing for you to be sad about. Just a misunderstanding to overcome and move on from.
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  4. Alhoon, there is a substantial difference between doing bad things and being a bad person. There are very few people that have not done bad things in their lives, and as with this occasion, society does their best to correct said bad actions or behaviour. I don't think any 4 year old child instinctively knows what is a good moral conduct according to their society. (although that in itself is another mess cause society also thought women voting was a bad thing at one point but it is irrelevant in this discussion) my point being you didn't know better, and people explained their issue with what you did. And honestly even for me i lose track of what you mean in conversations, because once i start writing i move forward, not backwards to check if someone edited. In any case, i understand may be conflicting esp as earlier you were encouraged not to double/triple post. But the idea here is to have a clear idea of what you want to say before saying it as to avoid both massive editing and multiple posting. And to address your right to changing your mind; you have it, but you could as well write a new post saying, "now that i think about it, i changed my mind " or similar. Editing back what you say to express a change of mind at best confuses a reader that wasn't here accompanying the discussion, at worst makes the people arguing against you look straight out silly. And since this is available for anyone to see, it's easy to understand the issue that they might have. And i do not think anybody feels antagonised, all i see here is mild frustration and exasperation. Moral of the story is, when someone does something wrong there are few ways to make a person see it that dont involve an accusation of wrongdoing. EDIT: I conveniently forgot to address this, but when you *must* edit out a post in meaningful ways or want to add to it, do so by this format. It is commonly used and makes a clear distinction between what you said originally. I hope this was helpfull
  5. Not that that's a bad thing in my opinion, considering earlier frustrations. I have to admit, kinda like this gameplay mechanic a bit... especially since it doesn't stick after leaving the area and coming back. https://youtu.be/sk00F2BSIF0
  6. Oh... that's good. A version that can take the terrain and ground etc map and put them in a 64x64 image like the Gameman: I used the tool and it is very, very easy. I think you're proficient with the spreadsheet. Well, what you do is make a nice image on paint or whatever you want but using the colors of the color code. At first, we start with something simple and crude Let's say something like this: - See how I avoided having walls disconnected. A wall pixel would look better if it ends up, down, left or right from another such pixel, not diagonicaly. There are no diagonical wall tiles in the game. - It's not obvious in the image but I've used RGB color 16/16/16 (i.e. gray 16) for the outer natural wall because that's the "tall wall", but used black to frame the river. - I also used a 64/64/64 (i.e. gray 64) for the wall that blocks the passage cause I want it to look like a nice big wall. - Just to be sure I put 2 lines of trees. That is not required probably, I'm just weird. As you can see... there are no doors, paths, items, creations... nothing. However the first image gives you a quick guide. So, next step, I complete the empty rough map, putting floors, bridge and doors. RGB 128/128/128 (I.e. gray 128) is worked floor. Tiles etc depending on the tileset. RGB 128/64/64 is bridge. I put one RGB 128/128/64 is doors. I put a few. And I end up with this: Now, if I wanted, I could run with this in the zonelab and add it in the game just to see how it looks like. For the purposes of this tutorial, I won't. For the third step: we have a map but it has nothing on it. Let's put in some creations and interactable items. RGB 0/128/191 are creatures outside. On top of unworked ground. RGB 128/0/128 are items on top of unworked ground If I accidentally put one of those on a gray tile, the map would have a ground post there not tiles. For the outdoors, I also added a few "terrain-outdoors" orange lines to represent a small farm. And a few creatures and a couple of objects on upper-right side that I will later change to a creature lair and a dead lootable body. Near what will be a farmer \ servile in the middle of the farm, I put a "terrain" that I will change to a cart later. I put a couple of indoor items, objects and terrain in the buildings and passage fort too. Some will be tables, some will be beds, some will be debris I end up with this: Now the -rough- form of my zone is done. It has objects, terrain, walls, creations etc. It has very little eye-candy. Litter, those decorative fires etc. However, for the purpose of this tutorial, I will leave it as is. Finally, I am ready to use Kian's awesome tool. I put my image to Zonelab > zones folder. I make absolutely sure it's the only zone in that folder! (we don't want two zones combined...) I change the name to forestTutot so that the editor would pick forest tiles. I press the "run" I wait 1 second. I have a txt file that has 64x64 matrices for me to put to ground and terrain, and generic object and creation entries at the places I had marked in the map. I now can take the relevant pieces of info, copy-paste them to the spreadsheet of Blades of Geneforge and then edit the zone as I would for any other already made zone. The above is an example that I made within a few minutes, not a well-thought, balanced, corrected and recorrected zone.
  7. Not direct accusations no. But there have been accusations that I did it on purpose to make him look like he made a mistake. That's not painting me in a bad light? I am not "someone who deliberately edits their comments after they have been replied to, then claims the people replying were wrong about what he said" As a note, saying "you do bad things" is not far from "you're a bad person" despite being different. Apologies, but someone who deliberately does what I was accused of is deceitful. And Slarty's post was not in the light of "this thing you did once was out of line", it was in the light of "You do things out of line, so I won't reply to you any more". I have been a member of several forums, my posting-editing habits have never led anyone to call my posts deceitful. OK, my post changed since he posted so the half line of "90% [Litalia conclusions]" seemed partially wrong. Why the the first explanation to come to Slarty's mind was "Alhoon changed it to cover his butt!" ? Why? That's what saddens me most. And it's the one I have not received any answer at despite asking several times. I think the answer is quite clear by the silence: Because Slarty had a low opinion about me to begin with. The second thing that saddens me: OK, let's assume that it was significantly different and then I changed my mind and edited it out realizing that it was erroneous. I am allowed to change my mind. Slarty hasn't seen the change and posted on the previous comment that within minutes I have realized it didn't belong there and deleted. I post "that's not what I said". And suddenly here we are because the edit made 1 line of slarty's comment redundant. As if claiming that one of the most respected members was wrong in half a post would achieve anything. The whole thread made toxic because I had to defend my actions and then I was asking of an explanation of why I should have to defend what should have been self-evident based on my history on this forum. Who would even care about what I have to say about the game now? Would Slarty even care to reply to a question about "lvl 22 Vlish or Drayk" or something now? Would you Triumph care to discuss the "what-ifs" of Litalia's history through your greater experience in the game and from your profession? How can I ask people that have more or less showed they wouldn't mind if I disappeared from their forum and have low opinion on me my behavior for advice or engage them in academic discussion? The third thing that saddens me: The haste to assume I would be making deceitful changes to make someone seem wrong, paints in a different light the comments I've received from the "old guard" of this forum. Guys I am not antagonizing you! I am not attempting to make you seem bad, or to "win arguments" or something. Where we disagree, I openly say so and say why and if I turn up wrong, I face the music. When you convince me, I give you a respectful nod. Editing since others posted: I try to do that, but sometimes I do other things (like playing the game or speaking on the phone) while I have not finished an edit or addition. I may not even be aware that someone else posted. You may see posts of mine growing exponentially through time. And again: Sure, you may call me sloppy poster. Acceptable. I am. You may say I write too long posts. I do. You may say that I shouldn't post unless I am sure the post reflects a position I have fully come to embrace and not developing positions. I disagree but no problem with such a suggestion. To my defense, I often write a post on notebook before posting here since either my position is developing as I write the post or I may add other things in it. Yes I will dial back the editing. After all there is a lingering threat of being called deceitful accused of deceitful changes.
  8. Question, can you modify existing zones with this? Just curious. Also, need some more detailed instructions on what to do exactly with it. Color codes isn't enough, and I'm actually confused on where to start exactly. But in any case, good job Kian. A tool to make new maps is going to be nice for more adventurous modders.
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  10. Per usual, Triumph said it better.
  11. My own recollection is that the substance of your comment was meaningfully different, Alhoon. FWIW. I can't give an exact quote, but I'm pretty sure it was substantively different. And I'm, ah, shall we say, 90% certain I've seen other instances in your discussions on these forums where you edited the SUBSTANCE of your posts (as opposed to just grammatical cleanup or minor tweaks for clarity). Relevant quotes from Slarty (assuming he didn't edit them ): Slarty made no accusations against your character, Alhoon. There's a profound difference between calling out someone's behavior and attacking their character. Saying "This thing you did was out of line" is not at all the same as saying "You're a bad person." Slarty criticized the way you were editing your posts, because it made them unreliable as way to follow the discussion. Thus, he concluded that if he wants to respond to anything you say, he needs to quote it, lest your propensity for editing eliminate the context of his responses or make them look unreasonable. He is not and has not attacked your character, at least not as I read his posts. That's NOT an accusation of evil motives or bad character. That's frustration that you're not following accept conventions of discussion of a forum like this (e.g. specifically, that people don't substantively alter their old posts but leave them to represent an accurate history of the discussion). You may want to seriously consider dialing back the editing; if it's not very simple grammatical corrections, and especially if there have been any posts at all since yours, perhaps don't edit and instead just make a new post.
  12. Try an email at support@spiderwebsoftware.com, but it might take a while for a human to get back to you.
  13. I purchased geneforge 1-5, Avernum 1-6, Nethergate (i think) and Avadon 1-3. I havent completed avadon 3 nor did I complete geneforge 4-5 but I think it would only be fair if someone can shoot me the codes. Geneforge 4 is going great and awesome sauce. I am having trouble calling jeff. I dont remember his phone number works anymore.
  14. You said you weren't sure why the last barbarian in the Barbarian Fort lost so much health all at once, but that's the power of Lethal Blow; Fawkes hit for 1231 damage that turn. The Shield of Testament, as you've undoubtedly figured out by now, is for a specific purpose later in the game. Oh well. Huh. I thought I had it set that you couldn't learn a spell from a caster unless you had seen the spell once. Something to fix for a later update, I suppose. You're so dramatically over-leveled at this point that, together with the bug exploits, the game balance is all out of whack. Alas.
  15. It probably was just not clear enough. And no, "a person that I've discussed in good faith for 2 freaking years suddenly saying I manipulate posts because of an edit" is not exactly a good reason. There are posts in this thread that I've edited -over 6- times. You want to call me sloppy? That's fine, I can accept that. But calling me deceitful? Again, why on earth even if I was a deceitful poster, would I do that?! Why would I change a post after your reply and then say "I didn't say that, I said this"? Did you ever see me shying away from mistakes I've made? From erroneous first conclusions? Did you see me editing the posts I made in the beginning that clearly make me seem like an idiot, about how Barzahl was a champion of Creation Rights for example?! About the inability of the Shapers to fix the colony? WHY ON EARTH would I do that for Litalia? Again: WHERE DID THAT SUSPITION OVER MY CHARACTER CAME FROM? I have been here for 2 years, I have ~780 posts in this place and good 20% of them are false, while ~80% are multi-edited (Including this post). I keep asking and I keep not getting a reply. Why you had such an opinion on me? Based on what? So... not "that far up" as the "No one expects posts that far up the thread to have their content completely changed" would imply... and it would be quite strange to have the whole content completely changed in a few minutes... EDIT: While it's not important, since what saddens me is the "I see change, I assume alhoon manipulated the post instead of assuming he edited while I was typing"... does anyone remember what I said before the edit in the "90% confident" post? Was what I was written there a lot different from the edit, or the edit was for clarity?
  16. It was. And no, there's no edit history on posts. One of many excellent reasons to think about posts before you make them.
  17. Seriously? You accuse me for manipulating a post to make you, that until 10 minutes ago looked up to for your excellent work in balance and your knowledge of the game, seem like you made a tiny error... and instead of an apology for drugging my name through the mud, you still preach that I am deceitful? Really? Again: Buddy, what have I ever done to you? Where did that attack and this low opinion come from? Because I made a few remarks that you disagree with? Because I made a few comments about a game without consulting the whole lore and jumped to erroneous conclusions? Again, about a GAME?
  18. Yes, and from now on, don't worry, I know to quote any post of yours I reply to in its entirity, because I can't trust that it won't randomly change when you decide to edit it.
  19. What? I don't understand what you're saying here, really. Have I put something in the post, edited it when you were writing something before you posted that something and then later, I saw the post as you had it at the time, as I quoted it and I am somehow underhanded? What have I posted*? Yes, I edit my posts. Sometimes (like a couple posts up) I complete lose the text on an edit! And how would I know you have been writing your post based on something I really don't remember I had there? It was never there in your post... Perhaps I had something that made you think that I was making conclusions on Litalia and then I edited it for clarity. There's indeed a small chance that I had accidentally posted something like "90% confident Litalia did X" (which I doubt but I don't remember) and changed it in the few minutes as you say that you took to post because I read it and said "meh, that's bizarre". THAT DOES NOT EQUATE WITH ME CHANGING THE POST AFTER READING YOUR COMMENT OR MANIPULATING REPLIES TO ACCUSE YOU OF... ? (I am not really sure what I accused you for or what I would gain from that crap you said I pulled). *Yes, I don't remember what I've posted and I don't think it was conclusions about Litalia that were eradicated suddenly while you were writing the post (and later accused me of manipulating it, no, I didn't read your mind cause that would be the only way to do what you accused me of initially). Is there a way to see the post history? I really, REALLY don't remember what I've written.
  20. (Also, for the record, they were less than an hour apart -- probably just a few minutes -- as it was showing 3 hours on all of those when I posted above.) EDIT: And this time you *definitely* edited after I replied
  21. The other possibility, I guess, is that I opened the thread and started writing my reply; you then edited your post; I then made my post. But I will point out that there were already several posts after yours, by the time I made my post. No one expects posts that far up the thread to have their content completely changed. It might have been different if it were the most recent post. But seriously, you edited that "90%" line to be something completely different from what it was originally. You know that! In which case you might say, when you saw my reply, "Oh, Slarty, I edited that post -- you must not have seen the edit." Not "that's not what I said." It is what you said. You just changed it later.
  22. And you want proof of that? The edit happened 4 hours ago While your post came 3 hours ago. (Yes, I edited it to add the image) After nearly 2 years that I am here, that we have discussed in good order even when we disagree, you accuse me of manipulating a post to make it seem you made an erroneous statement? Why would I do that? What could I possibly gain from that? What is your problem with me? Seriously. What have I ever done here for you to assume that I would be pulling something like that?
  23. Ahh... what? Are you serious now or joking? Do you really believe that I would do that? WHY would I do that?!? I edit all my posts, all the time. I don't "manipulate" the evidence. I really hope you're joking and that you don't have such low opinion on my character.
  24. Dude. Now I call foul. Alhoon, your "90% confident" line was NOT about anything about the author's intention. You just edited your previous post to make it look like that! Let the record show everything that came after "90% positive that" was completely different until after I wrote my post. (I mean, there is no record, but everyone CAN see the record of you editing that post after I replied to it.) I am not going to engage with someone who deliberately edits their comments after they have been replied to, then claims the people replying were wrong about what you said.
  25. EDIT: OH COME ON! I lost a nice big reply. In short: A)The "90% confident" was about my assumption that the author is not concerned too much about minor contradictions on the story. I wrote some nice explanation but it was big. Suffice to say that I am confident about that even if I haven't seen all content. GF2 even contradicts itself in some cases. B ) I agreed with Triumph that I am scapegoating Litalia and mentioned I've admitted that in previous posts. (And mentioned I don't do that for real historical persons!) I have agreed earlier with every person here that said "There's consistent evidence that Litalia was not an unstoppable force at that time but an apprentice\prospective. Do you really think Litalia would be leading an assault force that could take the force you have seen?" and I said mostly "not really, no. I just say Litapocalypse for convenience". I didn't agree that there's (to my limited knowledge) evidence to suggest that Litalia was not at the Drypeaks. There's perhaps not enough evidence that she was, but I didn't find so far any evidence she was not. I also said that I consider GF4/5 more canonical than GF3 since they came later. So even if GF3 Litalia says indicating (not outright proving) that she was elsewhere during the Drypeak Purge, I would consider the GF4/5 to take precedence. Sure, if GF3 Litalia says something along the lines of "I wish I was at the Drypeaks while the Drakons were there, but alas I have not been there" then I would say GF5 Litalia lied.
  26. Of course I will! I did all (well most) endings in GF5 and the Shaper ending in GF4. I am a completionist.
  27. This thread provided me with the answer to my issues. It has just enough scripting know how in it for me to have figured out how to make bread into Wisdom Crystals. Now I can quickly add the necessary skill points to continue my singleton-playing-through-all-games run. I thank you all, and especially @Peter Principle and @Lilith for the clear explanation of how to change the effect type level of items. May this thread's necro be useful to someone else who also wants to play this old game.
  28. ok tru, but in any case i dont think the game was biased against rebels.
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